Germans are skeptical of their GVT’s facts

The crises in Europe continues. Those that wish to preserve their European culture are routinely called Nazi’s or fascist even though little of the what say or do resembles either. The German government says crime has not risen and they are coping. Yet doubts about the truth is evident.

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“Germany’s police union and women’s rights groups accused the authorities on Tuesday of playing down reports of harassment, sexual assault and even rape at refugee shelters because they feared a backlash against asylum seekers.” (Reuters 2015)

Many Germans are skeptical that what the government and the press is reporting is accurate. The truth their own eyes tell them doesn’t match the press and government accounts.

According to Focus Magazine, In a home for asylum seekers in Munich a women was violently killed on Saturday. The 30 year old husband is considered the prime suspect. He is currently being questioned by the police, said a spokesman. However, it should not be entirely ruled out that the woman has taken her own life. (Focus.de 2015)

She violently took her own life?

It’s not xenophobic to require limits and restrictions on those you allow within your borders. It’s also not unreasonable to say we won’t pay for them. But of course if you do, either in America or Europe the insane self-hating left will attempt to demonize every person who doesn’t toe the line.

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As one person, who when told the German Air Force would join the bombings in Syria said to the effect, “so, their young men come here and live off of our work while we send our young men to fight for their country.”

Yes, that does seem to be the way it works now.

The German paper Die Welt reported numerous incidents of violence within refugee camps. Many ending in death and rape. Islamist were noted to be a particularly brutal source of violence.

In America we hear how any refugees brought here will be thoroughly vetted. I suppose they will be vetted as well as all of the those Pro-West Syrian rebels that handed over all of our weapons and equipment to ISIS. The fact is we have no way to vet Syrians. The Syrian government, whom we are at odds with does not have an extensive data base of ISIS members or sympathizers nor do we. At least not a database we could trust.

This is still in the beginning phases but there is sure to be more trouble ahead.

German authorities accused of playing down refugee shelter sex crime reports | Reuters. (n.d.). Retrieved from http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/06/us-europe-migrants-germany-idUSKCN0S02N220151006

Großeinsatz der Polizei : Zeugen hörten Schüsse: Mutter in Münchner Flüchtlingsunterkunft getötet – Video – Video – FOCUS Online. (n.d.). Retrieved from http://www.focus.de/politik/videos/grosseinsatz-der-polizei-zeugen-hoerten-schuessen-mutter-in-muenchner-fluechtlingsunterkunft-getoetet_id_5118738.htmlShooting in CS

Studie geht Gewalt in Flüchtlingsheimen auf den Grund – DIE WELT. (n.d.). Retrieved from http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article147248676/Wenn-die-Flucht-in-Deutschland-toedlich-endet.html

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7 thoughts on “Germans are skeptical of their GVT’s facts

  1. Germany is taking 800,000 refugees fleeing ISIS.

    America is accepting 10,000 Syrian refugees and American refugees are subject to rigorous background checks for 18 to 24 months. So far only 2% have been fighting age males.

    Iraqis at least have an Iraqi Army they can join to fight ISIS. Albeit, the Iraqi Army lacks the training seats to train even the current volunteers who wish to join. My best estimate is that the ISF have about 30,000 training seats versus the 80 to 100 thousand they had in 2007. I think it makes sense for the international community to help the Iraqi Training and Doctrine Command (ITDC) create and operate training seats to bring Iraqi soldiers to the fight.

    Unfortunately, most Syrians who want to fight ISIS don’t have a clear army to join (other than Assad’s.) This is something the international community has chosen not to address.

    I am unaware of any refugees to the US (there have been over 750,000 over the past decade) supporting terrorist attacks against America. America has accepted over 300,000 Iraqi immigrants, and virtually all of them are fiercely anti ISIS/Al Qaeda.

    My view is that Syrian refugees allowed into the US should primarily consist of the families of Syrians fighting ISIS and AQ. ISIS and AQ would likely try to follow them into the US to try to kill them and American muslims in general, since they hate American muslims more than American nonmuslims. One of the reasons I support the US accepting refugees fleeing ISIS is because they over time will form a constituency inside the US that lobbies for America to fight ISIS/Al Qaeda and their friends. A necessary lobby since this fight will likely last decades or generations.

  2. Another reason America should accept more refugees is because refugees value freedom, democracy, and America more than American leftists do; and are more immune to leftism than native born Americans . . . . the school of hard knocks does that to people.

  3. Anon, I always enjoy your responses. I don’t always agree, but at least your point of view is always reasoned.

    “Germany is taking 800,000 refugees fleeing ISIS.”

    Yes, a huge mistake that the population is furious about.

    “America is accepting 10,000 Syrian refugees and American refugees are subject to rigorous background checks for 18 to 24 months. So far only 2% have been fighting age males.”

    Doesn’t change anything. Do you think families will not follow afterwards? You know brothers, cousins, uncles. Once in country removing or not allowing relatives will be difficult.

    “Iraqis at least have an Iraqi Army they can join to fight ISIS. Albeit, the Iraqi Army lacks the training seats to train even the current volunteers who wish to join. My best estimate is that the ISF have about 30,000 training seats versus the 80 to 100 thousand they had in 2007. I think it makes sense for the international community to help the Iraqi Training and Doctrine Command (ITDC) create and operate training seats to bring Iraqi soldiers to the fight.
    Unfortunately, most Syrians who want to fight ISIS don’t have a clear army to join (other than Assad’s.) This is something the international community has chosen not to address.”

    I agree the international community other than Russia have refused to address this adequately and of course, Russia has a separate agenda, however, who are the good Syrians? Not as easily answered as one might suppose. Already the US has spent millions with little to no results for Syrian rebels. Unfortunately for those rebels the threat of ISIS is larger than Assad.

    “I am unaware of any refugees to the US (there have been over 750,000 over the past decade) supporting terrorist attacks against America. America has accepted over 300,000 Iraqi immigrants, and virtually all of them are fiercely anti-ISIS/Al Qaeda.”

    Try these few – Fazliddin Kurbanov, Tmaerlan and Dzhokar Tsarnev. Though not listed as refugees Sarmad Fadhi Mohammed and Jasim Mohammed Hasin Ramadon were arrested for actual sexual assault. Mustafa Sataar Al Feraji, Ali Mohammed Hasan Al Juboori and Yasir Jabbar Jasim were arrested as accessories to sexual assault in Colorado Springs, CO 2012. All five men are are from Iraq and living in the U.S. legally as permanent residents. All were brought here because they helped the US military. All five are in their 20s.

    But that’s not the point. It’s a cultural / economic issue as well. This applies to not only Syrian or other Middle Eastern peoples but immigrants, refugees from south of the US border as well.
    Some are certainly able to assimilate while many never do. Yet they will take a large amount of funding to house, feed, school these people. Is that our responsibility? No. I have no issue helping those that support western civilization or liberal (classical sense) ideas in any land. But I don’t have a desire to see any more of the decline of western civilization than I’ve already witnessed.

    “My view is that Syrian refugees allowed into the US should primarily consist of the families of Syrians fighting ISIS and AQ. ISIS and AQ would likely try to follow them into the US to try to kill them and American Muslims in general, since they hate American Muslims more than American nonmuslims. One of the reasons I support the US accepting refugees fleeing ISIS is because they over time will form a constituency inside the US that lobbies for America to fight ISIS/Al Qaeda and their friends. A necessary lobby since this fight will likely last decades or generations.”

    A point. It’s not one I’ll buy into at this point but a legitimate argument. Still the risk to the US or Europe is still too high.

  4. “Doesn’t change anything. Do you think families will not follow afterwards? You know brothers, cousins, uncles. Once in country removing or not allowing relatives will be difficult.” These would be from families fighting ISIS/AQ and friends. We will need them the next time the American public starts to turn against the war against terrorism (as happened 2011-2013).

    One of the reasons America sustained the cold war for 41 years was because of the soft influence of millions of anti-communist immigrants persuading native born Americans about the dangers of communists. These flesh and blood people living in American communities were personal ambassadors about the dangers of communism. My met these immigrants at my pre-school, kindergarten, and in elementary school.

    Muslim Americans, Arab Americans, Iranian Americans, Afghan Americans, Pakistani Americans, Bangladeshi Americans on average are much more educated and affluent than most Americans. Steve Jobs was a Syrian American. Mark Lemonis (from CNBC’s “The Profit) was born in Arabia. I think allowing immigrants increases entrepreneurship and improves product development.

    “however, who are the good Syrians? Not as easily answered as one might suppose. Already the US has spent millions with little to no results for Syrian rebels. Unfortunately for those rebels the threat of ISIS is larger than Assad.”

    There are good Syrians. However, to create a Syrian army capable of defeating ISIS and providing security to all Syrians would likely cost at least $50 billion over 10 years in the best case scenario (which would be considerable cheaper than Assad’s current Army). Probably $100 to $150 billion over 10 years is more realistic. Syria needs large military academies (4 year undergraduate academies, graduate staff officer schools, NCO academies–including training institutions that help illiterate Syrian NCOs achieve the equivalent of high school graduate or AB 2 year degrees).

    Assad’s army has survived ISIS in part because of its large world class officer and NCO training institutions; and large number experienced capable cadre. This said, the reason Putin intervened was because ISIS/Al Qaeda were on the verge of capturing Damascus, which likely would have led to them overrunning the rest of Syria, killing hundreds of thousands Syrians, and invading Lebanon, Jordan, the West Bank, Gaza, Egypt.

    US efforts to train the FSA have been symbolic at best so far.

    Your point about a minority of Iraqi immigrants being sexist and racist . . . right on. Talk to any Iraqi American or Afghan American and you can’t avoid hearing about how many losers America is allowing in and how horrible they are (even if you don’t want to hear about it.) This is why I think that politically incorrect Arab American and muslim Americans should sort through refugee applicants and have veto power. They should be free to be impolite, and talk about inappropriate subjects in interviews without the threat of lawsuits from NAACP (or similar groups) about “micro-aggression” or any other nonsense. Their non quantitative “feelings” should be enough to disqualify refugee applicants. Sadly many working for homeland security haven’t a clue.

    Obviously the vast majority of American refugees are not sexist, racist losers.

    This gets to another point. America had lots of Iraqi Americans who wanted to be involved in American efforts in Iraq . . . and they were not allowed. Ditto with Afghan Americans in Afghanistan. Rather we trust Phd leftist university losers as consultants. [Obviously many university professors contributed a lot of value too.]

    I think that immigrants assimilate well into America. I really like recent Mexican immigrants. I have volunteered for job training and literacy programs. Most Mexican immigrants are:
    1) married and tightly knitted families
    2) not divorced
    3) have disciplined children who they pressure to behave and study
    4) do their homework
    5) have the drive to learn and progress in their careers
    6) generally are not druggies. Some (fewer than in the native born population) have alcohol problems. But are more committed to solving their alcohol problems.

    The contrast between them and many native born Americans is enormous.

    Please note I am making no value judgement.

    72% of all African American families are led by single mothers. Over one quarter of all Afghan American working males have a felony conviction. One tenth of American American males are in prison.

    An enormous percentage of teenage and twenty something native born Americans have drug problems, alcohol problems, are obese, have bad health, have no idea how to eat healthy, or how to live frugally; or manage money. Many lack self confidence. It is extremely scary.

    Only 25% of all American high school graduates meet the minimum requirements necessary to join the US army.

    If all Americans who could safely do so were required to engage in strenuous exercise, stretching, or breathing; America would be a much better country.

    One of the ways we are dealing with this is by immigration (many immigrants are affluent, hard working, educated, less likely to be on disability, and healthier). But this is not a long term solution.

    ++++++++++++

    To your point on western civilization, I would phrase it differently. Their civilization is fine. Their diversity adds to the greatness of America. However, some don’t understand American ideas about “freedom” in particular. This needs to be taught. I think compulsory politically incorrect classes for immigrant Americans would be a great idea. Freedom means to right to be disrespectful and impolite to others. It means to right to be stupid and the right to do dumb things that hurt ourselves.

  5. Often force protection makes us less safe. The only way to make us less safe from ISIS/AQ/Taliban is to defeat and dismantle them in every country.

    Allowing anti ISIS/AQ/Taliban muslim immigrants into the US makes Americans safer. Since these immigrants are much better at identifying the real enemy; and terrorist plots. They also help native born American muslims understand how much ISIS/AQ/TAliban hate them and want to kill them.

    Carson said that after 9/11 he would not have invaded Afghanistan, but rather used the power of the bully pulpit. Carson also said that he would declare that America would be energy independent in 10 years, and because of that the Arabs would have turned Osama Bin Laden over. Obviously this preschool irrationality made no sense.

    Refugees with first hand experience of AQ and ISIS can directly refute this type of “analysis” better than other Americans.

  6. Three freshly formed Iraqi Army brigades (which just completed six week training courses with US participation) without US advisors (the US does not advise Iraqi Army brigades) have cleared large parts of Ramadi and are likely to finish clearing the city over the next couple of weeks. This is very good news. And is likely to lead to ISIS being driven out of many other Al Anbar cities and villages.

    General Petraeus has recommended that the US provide advisors at the brigade level to the Iraqi Army, which would require 10 K troops in my opinion versus the 3.5 K troops in Iraq now. I wholeheartedly agree. I also think the Iraqis need more training seats so that new Iraqi Army brigades can be trained over 14 or more weeks versus the six weeks they receive currently. International trainers should be present in these new expanded ISF training facilities. I also think the US should contribute considerably to long term training of ISF commissioned and noncommissioned officers.

    Officers and NCOs are the difference between capable professional militaries (such as Assad’s Syrian Army, Jordan’s army, Egypt’s army, Pakistan’s army) and incompetent Armies such as Mexico’s army.

    What are your thought’s JB?

  7. Background checks? Like the one the Democrat gov employee got when she went full jihad? Like the one that got leaked through the data crack to the world, from fed servers?

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